Windows is dead, I get that. Lets stop talking about Microsoft and Windows and start talking about more relevant operating systems.

Linux and OS X both have flaws, what are they and how can they be fixed.

So how much money has MS lost on Vista? I am sure they will more than make back thier investment. It's not a flop if it makes a profit - perhaps it is not doing as well as MS hoped. Either way this article is biased and lacking in any facts....everybody has an opinion.

A bs article like this make publication on tgdaily's website? Just curious. This is so outside the box, it's ridiculous. I still speak with people on a daily or near-daily basis (I do tech support) who ask if they can upgrade to Vista yet and the only reason they haven't done it is because "I've heard my programs won't work with it", which is more or less ridiculous. There was a very small list of software that had problems you couldn't fix in Vista when it came out, but virtually all of them have long-since been taken care of. Vista's lack of major success is proof that bad word-of-mouth can be devastating, even when it's not based on fact. Those ridiculous Apple commercials don't help, either...kind of surprised they're legally allowed to run, TBH - it's pretty falsified advertising.

I agree with most of the article. However the idea of web based applications removing the need for a complex OS has been around for a decade now and we still have and needs a OS.

As for Apple good luck breaking the 10 - 15% market share barrier with a closed OS. I just don't see it happening unless Dell, HP, etc... can sell mac OS too.

Linux has the best chance of displacing Windows but Linux needs to communize on some distro. It's way to fragmented for the common user to get behind. Don't say GOS at the moment that is the biggest joke around.

M$ most likely will be displaced someday, but there needs to be massive changes or some new company is going to have to come around and convince people their better because...

The question any business customer must ask themselves is, "What overriding advantage does Vista give me over XP?" If the new OS does not provide a game changing advantage, you should tell your clients not to upgrade.

New fufu graphics and having the computer ask you 15 times if you want to click on the start button because it might be a security violation are not overriding advantages. Any functionality you can get from a third party is not an overriding advantage.

Using less ram would be an advantage. Using fewer clock cycles would be a big advantage. Addressing more ram or bigger hard drives would be an advantage, but only if the user was installing more ram or a bigger hard drive today.

I'm in agreement with you on those ridiculous Apple ads. I saw one last night that claimed that the problem with PC's is that all their parts come from different manufactuerers, and that Apple's are better because they all come from the same source.

I nearly LOL'd! So Apple makes Processors, RAM, PSU's, Hard Drives, Chipsets, Mobos, and Optical Drives now? Riiight...

Anyone in IT knows that people are quick to blame the computer for problems when it is usually the user's fault. This seems to be the case in vista. Even techies jump on the bandwagon. They have trouble adjusting to vista, to avoid feeling inadiquate they blame the operating system. This is a classic case of external efficacy making people live in an inauthentic reality. I use and support vista daily and it is really not as bad as people say.

I am in the IT field. Most of the complaints I hear about Vista are about the fact that it takes rather expensive hardware to really run vista- and even then, it's considerably slower than an XP box doing the same task. From a performance perspective, vista is a step backward.

Prefetching... that's the problem, as I understand it. Vista tries to anticipate your usage, and have those files on hand in flash (readyboost) and RAM. Looks great on paper, but the boys in Redmond dont have it near right, yet. So it's slow, and vista is a cumbersome operating system.

I agree that MS is losing their grip... bound to happen, really. Historically, the giant tends to release an operating system, and then phase out the old one across a couple of years. Not this time, tho. Already they are planning to support XP until windows 7 arrives. Be interesting to see how that next OS is going to do, or if it'll be the third MS operating system most of us hate?

James - "Vista's lack of major success is proof that bad word-of-mouth can be devastating, even when it's not based on fact"

It's based on fact, many more consumers are educated than before when windows ME was added to the radar to fill the MS coffers.

Vista is a flop because they had penciled in X number of millions in sales each quater.

They put in that fancy new security to see the total number of pirated and legit version. And feel it's a slame dunk anyone pirating will have to purchase vista and all current legit owners love us and will buy anything we put in their face.

James please feel free to take the challenge since you seem to know the facts about vista.

Vista is stripped down longhorn and what was left IS NOT new features to the OS to justify the price

Please don't make a fool of yourself like diode who named OMG calender, support from microfluff, media center, drive backup, drive encryption and DVD burning as new OS features that everyone should pay up to 399 to get vista for (599 for the billy boy signature edition WOW talk about SUCKERS).

Read these two links, keeping in mind that XP64/x64 is a re-write and was created while they was stripping longhorn down to vista.

www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/top10.mspx
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/benefit.mspx

Now please post 10 new features of the OS that is better in vista than XP64/x64 that you honestly feel make it worth up to $399 to have.

How about you shoot for five now and post the other five next week.

I feel if you take this excersise you can see why EDUCATED CONSUMERS don't upgrade and not as you put it scared their software wont run. hahaha nice try... you guys just don't get it.

The majority of users only use their systems for email, word, excel, email, cd/dvd burning and maybe a basic game or two.

When you waive a brand new spanking up to 399 OS offering them the SAME THING THEY DO TODAY. What's the point?

Nevermind just take the challenge and your 10 new OS features will change our minds... Waiting...

The majority of people I know who have not moved to VISTA have simply said "XP works just fine, why should I move to VISTA"... that is what held Vista back, not a mass movement to Apple/Linux desktops. (which would be really easy to prove IF it were true, yet I see no proof presented in any of these articles)

lmao... I love it! The guy says Vista sucks and will usher in the end of Windows, and as an example says that lots of people who buy new PCs with Vista preinstalled 'downgrade' to XP. XP? Isn't that, uh, Windows? They aren't downgrading to Linux, they aren't buying a Mac, they're going to another version of Windows! Der.

And do you really think huge companies are going to stop buying Windows and load an un-user friendly OS for their 10,000 employees to have to learn? Hmmm...

Do you think Dell and HP and all the PC companies out there are going to stop offering Windows and start offering different versions of Linux? I don't.

A vast majority of computer users know Windows. They like Windows. They will stick with Windows. In the next decade, Microsoft will continue to make billions off of it’s products, people will continue to use Windows, and people will still bitch and claim that Linux and co will soon take over the OS market.

And do you have any idea how much cash SQL server and Windows server 200x earn for Microsoft? They can afford to release a subpar OS every once in a while and be alright, because lots of big businesses can’t live without them. They can just brush it off, announce Windows 7 and move on.

yes, Vista was awful and a major let down. The rest of this topic is ill informed, and pointless.

A.) Microsoft's next OS is set to come out within 2 years at most.

B.) Their still is no good solution. Linux is great, but it is not a full replacement, at least not yet. Don't even get me started on OSX. It's a great OS for your grandmother or pre-pubescent girls, past that, it is awful.

Vista bashing is old news, get over it. Microsoft's next OS will be better and you can put your tissue's away.

While I agree with most of your statements, Don't even get me started on 64bit. What a joke. 64bit Windows (Pick one) is unadopted, and works as a hack at best. You have to patch and fix damn near anything to work with it. I would take 32bit Vista over 64bit XP any day of the week.

That being said I'll stick with Linux and XP Pro (32bit).

I work as a computer salesman, I'll admit I dont know much but I think I know enough about computers to sell them. I want to get my A and get a job as a tech but I'm only 16 and I got school to consider.
ANYWHO, I get asked on a daily basis whether or not our computers come with XP, at least 75% of people do not like vista, I've sold way more copies of XP than Vista, usually to people looking to downgrade. Lets face it, XP does everything people needed - excluding security that is. XP is similar to 95, 98, 2000 and all that jazz, so people knew how to use it (I am in no way speaking codewise I'm talking about visual appeal and interface because that is all thats important to the average user) Vista is totally different and people *being human beings of the 21st century don't want to learn anything new because they are LAZY.
I'm considering BUYING vista ultimate for 330$ which is an entire paycheck for me. I don't know if its worth it because I hear so many nay-sayers. I got my job to get some money so I could build my own pc, I still have no idea what os I should stick too. I'm pretty sure Vista is here to stay, hardware still needs to catch up though.

One thing is for sure Apple is gonna kick-ass over the next few years. Doubling a market share over 2-3 years is amazing. Ouuuuuu the potential.

Hopefully my comment isnt biased because I like to keep an open mind about computers and I dont like to say APPLE SUCK BALLS or MS can suck my _______.

Sobriquet

Enlighten

I only need 1 thing to tell the different about xp64 and vista and that is in vista 64 there are realy well working drivers not like in xp64 thing is usles.

I would agree with this. Microsoft seems to think that the way to go is to kick out a new OS every 2 - 3 years without ever finishing the work on previous OS's. I was shocked about the recent related artical about Gates saying Window's 7 could be available as early as Q4 of 2009... SLOW DOWN AND DO IT RIGHT MICROSOFT!!!!!

1.) Very nice media center that integrates with TV Tuners. MCE also has similar features, not XP64
2.) Aero Interface. Want to admit it or not it does look nicer.
3.) Previous Versions. Can revert the contents of any file to an arbitrary point in the past from the file's Properties
4.) Windows Sidebar. Easy way to add RSS and other news feeds to your desktop as well as third party enhancements.
5.) Windows Photo Gallery. I nice managable way to preview print and do other photo tasks.
6.) Integrated Search. You can search on almsost anything anywhere. Startmenu, Control Panel, Files. File Meta Information, ect.

...There are my five. And the argument I could have got those from a third party application is not applicable.

I agree with you.
Computer users know what they use there systems for and what they want and most people don't see the need to spend $599 or even $399 for a new application that for the most part would require new hardware.

Most people do a short list of things like:
Check email
Surf the web
Use a Office program
Listen to MP3's or watch DVD's

there are a few more but I am sure everyone gets the point. You don't need a 3 GHz Quad-Core with 8 GB's of ram to check a email. Everyone claims that Vista is more secure I had beta tested it for 2 years before its release.

If people like the looks of Vista there are 3rd party programs that will give you the Vista desktop, will give you the Aero Glass effect. All the so called security thats in Vista is nothing that a good Anti virus, Spy ware and common sense cant give you. Back with Windows ME Apples OS only ran on the PowerPC chips. Now that it works on Intel they could release it. Only reason why its not is because Steve Jobs is a control freak and wants to sell not only OS X but the hardware as well. OS X is just Free BSD with Apple fluff so allot of drivers have been written by enthusiast so there would be only a very small amount of hardware that wouldn't have drivers. If Steve Jobs had released OS X to everyone, they could of had by now a good 40% or more market share.

Do I see Microsoft and Windows going any place anytime soon "NO". I will say this if Windows 7 turns out to be as big a flop as Vista is then I can see people migrating to other OSes.

What allot of people forget is that a OS is a ends to a means. Its something that lets you run that game you like or run office or get on to the net. What does it matter how pretty Vista is if its covered most of the time by the application you really want to use. Its a lot easier to debug a few million lines of code then a few hundred million lines of code. With a new OS you have new problems, with XP allot of the security problems are known and fixed some times the fix causes more problems then they solve but that is and would be the same with Vista.

Why most companies have not switched and probably will not switch is because they have allot of in house written software that Vista brakes.


www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page11.html#conclusion_ko_for_windows_vista

There is a link to were Tomshardware did a comparison of Vista and XP and it shows that on similar systems XP runs faster.

Everything you listed have been provided in most cases free of charge by 3rd parties. For allot less then the cost of a retail copy of vista I can buy XP Pro and get several programs that will give XP the look and feel of Vista and require less system resorces then Vista does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSVYRbHWR1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smMr2bRMuIQ&feature=related

there are 2 videos for 3 programs that can make XP do Aero Glass. So if all you are wanting $399 for Vista so you can get the extra fluff more power to you.

Microsofts Gadgets = Yahoo Widgets

lol and the rest I wont go in to because I would be here all day posting links to 3rd programs for everything you bought Vista for lol, and as far as the search check out Microsofts web site they have a replacement search for XP that makes XP search faster and just like Vista and its OMG!!!!! free.

They had been talking about no need for O/S and desktop and 20 years later we are still using the same thing.
let not get emotional about vista good or bad.
yes, vista is not selling well as an upgrade.
but 95% of the suckers get their vista from a new computer.They are getting millions copies out last year for each new computer they sell. I don't see that dell hp going to go all linux and os/x and I don't see apple/linux box taking over PC market either.
it's only linux replacing unix and apple replacing apple. still less than 10% market.
Vista might not be a big success but it sell enoough to make money.
for coproate, the only way to make them switch is when xp got de-support. I have work in too many IT companies that knows what make them tick.
when you desupport it, they will find way to get existing software to work with vista.
if it's too slow...they will upgrade.
like now every laptop/desktop they sell is like 1G 2G minmium memory now. I don't see you trying to run out and buy a 512M ram machine just to run linux. So yes, need more machine to run window but hey, machines are coming with more memory and faster CPU by each month on lowest end machines.
I dont' see you go back to the day of 64K of ram of apple days. Or else you can argue DOS run faster than XP...why stay with XP? duh?
windows collapsing? hardly...if you see how much money is in bill gate's bank account. replace by what? Linux? it's not going anywhere...you wanted it to go somewhere but it's still same old after years of linux hype. OSX? apple is still selling computer like a BOSE speakers. too expensive and lots of hype. What about mobile devices?
I sure still want to use mouse/keyboard and a 22 inch screen ....not typing with my fat finger on a 3.5 inch touch screen and watching movie on that.
it's best as a carry around to check mail...but I sure don't want to browse/shopping with it or use it at work....just not practicle.
I just don't see windows O/S going anywhere soon.
Just remember...most people are sheeps and not geeks and they just use what they are sold.

It would be great to see fewer articles on Windows and more on other operating systems; Linux ( http://www.linux.org ), Apple OS X ( http://www.apple.com ), ReactOS (http://www.reactos.org ), FreeDOS ( http://www.freedos.org ), eComStation (my favorite http://www.ecomstation.com), etc. :)

crawlgsx - "What a joke. 64bit Windows (Pick one) is unadopted"

I was hoping James would point that out. Because that has been the common comeback "But XP64 doesn't work"

I ask to perform this challenge for two reason.

1) So that you can see that there isn't a slew of NEW OS FEATURES in vista (the stripped down version of longhorn.

2) More importantly, which is why windows has been taking a knock. The pages that I point you too is proof of microfluff NOT finishing a product.

This is huge because we are shelling out major dollars. And microfluff is steady working on the next OS to steer us like cattle too.

If I sold you a house and listed a crap load of features. You get the house and complain about things not working up to par and not having the promised functionality.

I respond sparingly but never completely finishing. I simply build a new house and say "Hey, buy this new one it works so much better".

It's amazing the high number of Non Backbone consumers that wont hold their feet to the fire.

We were toyed with SP3, having the date move back past the vista launch. To help invoke vista sale among frustrated consumers.

How is that NOT a huge slap in the face to us all?

by not innovating or incorporating ideas? Wait for Windows 7. I think that Microsoft was hit bad by Vista and that they launched it as an interim to a new kernel and OS.

Vista has good ideas poorly executed. When the technology catches up and becomes more mainstream the features will start to shine.

I do believe that surface and "touch" computing are going to become more mainstream. No offence to those who use web apps for their mail but Outlook is still the best program I ever bought. Office is still incredibly powerful for business.

In the home segment you would be surprised how many people bring their work home and for those who use Excel all I can say is that they live on it!

Microsoft are going to have some stiff competition but they will either copy, innovate or surprise you when you least expect it.

Windows Live is now almost a form of basic Exchange for home users which can sync up with Windows Mobile Devices and if my predictions are right a relatively unheard of Windows Home Server is going to change things very soon.

New ideas from Apple, the developer community at large is forcing innovation and I cannot wait to see what is going to come out.

I would not put Microsoft out of the game. Let's call it more "Watch this space!"

LOL I asked for FEATURES of the OS and NOT APPLICATIONS of the OS.

Here lies the problem among of non informed consumers AKA Microfluff Sheep/Cattle.

And they can't see it if it slaps them in the face 5 times.

Greg (I'm leaning heavily to this being diode), Thanks for your list of 6 ::gulp:: suppose to be features.

Example of features of the OS would be 'SuperFetch' and 'ReadyDrive' - These are very nice HD features to have because virtual memory can now be retrieved faster causing windows environment to respond slighter better. But if drive performance was a big issue then the user would have a raptor as their root drive. That would be less than the up to 399 OS.

A manufactured feature of the OS is DX10 - This is a big one for gamers. It's a situation 'manufactured' by microfluff to try to prevent vista from being a win ME repeat. And if you read the gamers enthusiast section you'd realize that DX10 was first intended to be on XP. "video game developers are at work right now building exciting 64-bit native games to help push these limits even further. Since data in memory is accessed about 10,000 times faster than it is on a disk drive, 64-bit native games hold the potential for significantly faster graphics rendering, producing photo-realistic immersion and rapid-fire play without annoying delays". Because you know see these words only being used for DX10 'photo-realistic'.

This is the overall problem many of you DON'T KNOW WHAT AN OS IS VS WHAT AN INCLUDED APPLICATION IS...

When you learn this you'll be on the road to consumer recovery...

Vito - "vista 64 there are realy well working drivers"

Lack of driver support IS NOT A FEATURE OF THE OS...

Follow me on this...

A company puts out a bunch of promises on the product and the features included.

THIS MEANS BEFORE THE PRODUCT IS LAUNCHED YOU SHOULD GET A BILL OF GOODS SOLD TO YOU.

BINGO!!! THAT'S THE PROBLEM...

ASK YOUR BUDDIES TO FINISH A PRODUCT...

Read #6 www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/top10.mspx
Greater flexibility -
"Windows XP Professional x64 Edition gives you a robust platform for the integration of 64-bit and 32-bit applications using the Windows on Windows 64 (WOW64) x86 emulation layer. You can move to 64-bit computing while still maintaining your existing investment in 32-bit software and Windows expertise."

At Apples current growth rate, they will have 160% of the market in about 5 years. I look forward to the day that Microsoft is consigned to -40% of the market.

Greg - "There are my five. And the argument I could have got those from a third party application is not applicable."

Oh Really why not?

So okay... I own windows XP and Nero

Microfluff elects to not competively compete their dvd burning crap application and instead SHOVES IT DOWN THE THROAT OF EVERY PURCHASER OF VISTA.

Why should I pay an additional 40 to 60 for a forced sale of DVD burning when I already own it.

And WHY oh WHY should this not count as a reason that I wouldn't need vista?

The breadcrumbs feature – people have been doing this for quite some time for free.
www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows/vista-breadcrumbs-for-windows-xp

WHY DO YOU NOT WANT TO KNOW THAT?

Free vs up to 399... Ignore that why again???

Windows Photo Gallery?? is a feature of the OS??? Come on are you sure this isn't diode??? LOL

DID YOU NOT READ:
"Please don't make a fool of yourself like diode who named OMG calender, support from microfluff, media center, drive backup, drive encryption and DVD burning as new OS features that everyone should pay up to 399 to get vista for (599 for the billy boy signature edition WOW talk about SUCKERS)."

I guess you don't know the history of windows. It's been a sortof pirate affair since inception.

Bullying and steeling at will and at random. Dude go look at the lawsuit history and out of court apology's and settlements over the year.

Billy Boy & company has historically reviewed shareware and other software and COPIED it and included it in version of windows for years.

There was a true multi-tasking OS using windows, back when Billy Boy had dos and was poking fun at the amiga and stating a computer will never need more than 8 colors.

I was going to say what you did but eh I chose not to but I did post links to Vista like applications that he claimed was features.

Using macbook with vista sp1 and the thing runs beautifully all my hardware and software. Haven't seen a blue screen in months. And it's more secure than XP. If you're going to stick with MS, I highly recommend vista.

@Greg and I guess Vito LOL

Please assign tell me which version you retail version you own:
1) 99 home basic
2) 199 home premium
3) 299 business
4) 399 ultimate
5) 599 Billy Boy Signature sucker special

Now divvy out a cost you value each feature to the cost that they ask.

Now I'll hit you with thing you should and would have known had you visit places that had shareware etc

ZDnet is a great start

Look at these sites

april 5, 2006 OMG
www.pcworld.com/article/id,125324-page,1-c,vistalonghorn/article.html

www.pcworld.com/downloads/collection/collid,1433-c,downloads/files.html

Free Integrated search
www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/desktopsearch/getitnow.mspx

Free Breadcrumbs
www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows/vista-breadcrumbs-for-windows-xp

Please do some searching around there are even products that do a similar 'pre-fetch data guessing game'.

No OS is completely secure although Linux comes close.

Having used Vista Ultimate, XP Home, and Ubuntu side by side, I know that Ubuntu is the most secure of the three. I have found that Vista on a basic level is more secure than XP because of UAC and the annoying pop-ups. However, it doesn't seem any more secure than XP when it comes to sloppy application programming by microsoft in Internet Explorer. Malicious web-apps like to prey on IE. This can't be controlled by the end user so Microsoft should get it together and make it more secure.

On another note, I have used XP for 6 years and haven't had too much trouble with viruses or hacking because I always apply the latest security updates and have decent anti-virus and anti malware software.

The most insecure part of an OS is the end-user. You know.. the idiots who click open an email attachments from an unknown contacts, the fools who download programs and install them without checking them for viruses first, the fools who use simple passwords like their birthdate. I have even seen people who have run the same AV software for 5 years but never purchased a renewal licence so the last update of their virus program and pattern files was in 2003. People like these make the computer world insecure. Comprehensive training about computer security and even its basic operation should be required for everyone who wants to use a personal computer. Sadly, even with training, most people are too lazy to maintain their systems. A computer is a tool just like a car. It has to be properly maintained to ensure it's safe and reliable to operate.

"LOL I asked for FEATURES of the OS and NOT APPLICATIONS of the OS.

Here lies the problem among of non informed consumers AKA Microfluff Sheep/Cattle."

Sadly he probably doesn't know the diffrence in what is a feature and what is a application. Sadly all microsoft did was take a bunch of 3rd party applications and made there own versions and put in Vista. Microsoft is doing what it always does take a good 3rd party program and then makes a crappy version of it.

It's kind of sad really when Microsoft has everyone thinking some of the applications they put in Vista is a feature and not a application.

I have to admit you are right on most points you argue. It would be wonderful if we were all "educated consumers".

But we aren't. You're facts and links provide much insight, but I'd really like to skip over all your rather arrogant, sarcastic, almost childish belittling of people and their views.

I understand they are wrong, and I understand it can be frustrating trying to explain. But realize the way you approach the argument reminds me of stuck up kids in games screaming "n00b!"

But please, if you intent IS to educate you can do so without the condescending tone.

Ty!

You know that vista 64 bit has 32 bit compatible and it is working beter then xp64?

Ow nad vista 64 bit has more drivers than xp64 and geuse what they are so good like in 32bit. So pleas don't give that shit 32compatible in xp becouse vista has same shit.

Firstly I had vista home premium, but I needed some thing from business and now I just have ultimate. And please don't tell me witch futures I need becouse I am sure that you know what is the differenc (and ale were 64-bit). And it work with everything witch was only 32 bit programs.

I used 64bit windows but it was to nuch lak of driveres so I did had to stay with 3gb ram memory, but a half of year I went to vista 64bit and it worked well few problems I did have at the beggining but I solved it quick.

I just don't get it alot why are so many complaning that vista is slo ike windows 2000 to xp it wasn't and those who say that xp is the best OS ever delivered is wrong windows 2003 was and now windows 2008 is even better now at first it did had problems but now it is working suprisely well.

oldhand

You know that IE7 is the most secured browser? Yes it is slow but it is proven that it is most secured, but I use firefox and opera so that you don't tell me IE fan.

I only do so because I built the computer from scratch with 4 GB of ram, a massive graphics card and a 3.2 GHz Intel Duo CPU. I honestly don't see any noticeable improvements over XP in day to day use, sure it looks pretty but I am quite annoyed that when I try to do basic stuff it pops up the security nanny.

At this point I always wonder if I am giving malware permission since sometimes Vista doesn't really inform me of what I am allowing to run. The obvious clues are when i click something I know is safe to run and it pops up the secure nanny, but other times I just have to trust that nothing got by any installations and is running bad things.

Windows 7? Why on earth would I go from Vista to it? Or even from XP?

Where??? LOL

I'm sorry that you take it that way...

Maybe because I have a slight level of frustration...

Wee had you ran my initial response it was directed too James.

"James please feel free to take the challenge since you seem to know the facts about vista."

"Nevermind just take the challenge and your 10 new OS features will change our minds... Waiting..."

And what did I get? Either James is on here with many names or I had people coming to his defense.

Who came to his defense? vito saying drivers are a feature of the OS OMG who else can I be?

Someone saying you need to upgrade to vista for window photo orgnizer or free share ware...

What did I say that was arrogant and sarcastic? "LOL"?

Nevermind... I just hope you get stronger...

I didn't say future but I said that vista64bit has drivers and that is why to move to vista if you have 4 gb of ram or more. In xp64 bit it just isn't realy working os.

And why move to vista well you don't have to look at the % of users manly about 2% less are moving to vista like it was in the same time period from windows 2000 to xp. Vista will took of more about 1 year from now.

And something ells why did we had to move from windows 2000 to xp it was, slower, more unstable (at the beggining) and 2000 had everything we need?

In the post titled "It's A Trick Challenge... Apr 11, 2008 15:21"

I explain the purpose for the exercise...

For the record I currently use windows XP pro 32bit, so please stop posting what the current status in which XP x64 is in.

Originally I asked James(and now anyone else since James the tech support guy who said he "knows the facts about vista" has dissapeared AKA post runner) to

"Read these two links, keeping in mind that XP64/x64 is a re-write and was created while they was stripping longhorn down to vista.

www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/top10.mspx
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/benefit.mspx

Now please post 10 new features of the OS that is better in vista than XP64/x64 that you honestly feel make it worth up to $399 to have."

That is the exercise... microfluffs own posted sales pitch to fill the coffers...

This is about two things microfluff NOT adding a significant enough features into the new OS to make it worth up $399 to have and this is huge 'Only Lasting Two years AKA win ME'.

And the abandonment of a project without completing it. For years errors have been reported to them. And basically to no avail.

Just look at the manipulation:
SP3 date moved back over and over all the way past vista launch

DX10 on vista

Internal emails on how some didn't think vista would be a success (which is why XP x64 had an internal go ahead, it was to fall back on)

If more people could decipher what the OS does. Then they wouldn't water at the mouth to get vista for calender, photo organizer, new solitaire, DVD burning.

I'll say this again, ANYONE that held out purchasing a COMPETETIVELY TESTED,REVIEWED and SOLD DVD BURNING PRODUCT in the XP era. And instead sat back waiting and hoping for the day microfluff bundles their UNCOMPETETIVELY SOLD DVD BURNING APPLICATION in with the next OS YOU ARE A HUGE LOSER!!!

"In the end, we lowered the requirement to help Intel make their quarterly earnings so they could continue to sell motherboards with the 915 graphics embedded," Microsoft executive John Kalkman wrote

seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/352993_msftvista28.html?source=mypi

At some point you need to stop being taken for granted "Microsoft expects $15.9 to $16.1 billion in Q4 revenue", "Microsoft is anticipating a full fiscal year, ending in June, 2008, with revenues of $58.8 to $59.7 billion, net profits of $23.3 to $23.7 billion dollars"

www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34552/118

And you need to read between the lines and the lies, as an example MS created XP64 to help intels IA64.

XP64/XP x64 at the same time they was stripping a delayed OS named longhorn down to vista. They collected revenue and said things like

"Please read 'Gaming enthusiasts' section of
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/facts/benefit.mspx
"video game developers are at work right now building exciting 64-bit native games to help push these limits even further. Since data in memory is accessed about 10,000 times faster than it is on a disk drive, 64-bit native games hold the potential for significantly faster graphics rendering, producing photo-realistic immersion and rapid-fire play without annoying delays".

Find out who are these developers? Where are those 64 bit games that MS claims would be rocking our worlds? Why is Halo 2 & 3 only on vista if they are so enthused about the future of the XP64 gaming environment/horizon (reminder XP64 was re-written during the creation of vista which is a weak stripped down version of longhorn).

Photo-realistic will be in XP64 according to them, how much better can you get than photo-realistic? I only see photo realistic touted only in DX10 games, why the switch?

Why were developers duped with DX10 kits and explained how DX10 would revolutionize gaming on XP and vista. Only to have the old 'bait and switch' occur with DX10 on Vista only FOR NO REASON BUT TO PROMOTE VISTA SALES TO GAMERS?"

Again I walk you through the exercise because vista is no different than XP x64.

You can't see it, but the same way you line up pointing to XP x64 as a joke, you'll do the same with vista very soon.

There is some in that company that have a heart and seem to care about the consumer. Then there are sock splitters saying go for the consumer juggler.

For many of you Microfluff could add 3 new OS releases between now and windows 7 and you'd shell out the cash because the ability to pick and chose based on real product features is non existant.

Microfluff predict they will make X millions in quarter X. Know that it is you who's dollars are penciled in like a sucker.

There are ways of getting the security nanny to stop nagging about stuff and still have it be pretty secure, but the question is wether or not your average user cares.
The stats of Norton and McAfe are bloated about how many computers are attacked each and every day (McAfee use to see the iTunes ping to request a music library as an 'attack'!), and really in most cases a simple hardware firewall like a router (or anything that changes your IP and filters data, could be a cheap linux server too) does the trick, and also allows for you to have tons of computer on the same internet connection with ease.
Anywho, I guess my point is that $50 in hardware can save you that $50/yr on anti-spyware/virus/firewall/whatever else they are selling you on. XP can still be attacked, but you have to really be trying to get someones attention. And until there is some virus that knocks out XP like the old worms, and Microsoft decides not to fix it then nobody is going to switch from XP to anything. XP is stable, fast, secure enough (and will be more secure with SP3), pla