Antarctica (Southern Pole) - A team of paleontologists working over two digging seasons, have unearthed the latest type of a sauropodomorph, a massive plant-eating dinosaur that lived 190 million years ago.  Dubbed Glacialisaurus Hammeri, the remains consisted of a partial foot, leg and ankle bones.  They were found at 13,000 feet on Mount Kirkpatrick, near the Beardmore Glacier, Antarctica.


Nathan Smith, a graduate student at The Field Museum, said, "The fossils were painstakingly removed from the ice and rock using jackhammers, rock saws and chisels under extremely difficult conditions over the course of two field seasons.  They are important because they help to establish that primitive sauropodomorph dinosaurs were more broadly distributed than previously thought, and that they coexisted with their cousins, the true sauropods."  Photo credit:  William Stout, Copyright 2007, an artist's reconstruction of Glacialisaurus hammeri and Antarctica during the Early Jurassic period, with several pterosaurs in the background and a small mammal-like reptile in the foreground.

Sauropodomorphs were the largest animals to ever walk the earth.  They included the commonly regarded long-necked herbivores, such as Diplodocus and Apatosaurus.  They were closely related to the theropods, including Tyrannosaurus, Velociraptor, and even modern birds.

The paleontologists believe Glacialisaurus Hammeri was 20-25 feet long, weighing 4-6 tons.  This would make it about the size of an average modern day elephant.  While small by comparison to its sauropodomorph cousins, this dinosaur was also no slouch.  It was named after Dr. William Hammer, a professor at Augustana College who led both field trips to Antarctica.  Glacialisaurus Hammeri is believed to be a Massopsondylidae.  If true, this represents a secondary radiation of basal sauropodomorphs from the Early Jurassic period.

Finding like these help resolve disputes between scientists as to the origins and timelines of various dinosaur branches.  For example, it is now believed that Glacialisaurus Hammeri existed during an extended period of time alongside other sauropodomorphs during the Late Triassic and Early Jurassic periods.

These findings were first published December 5, 2007, in Acta Palaeontologica Poloncica, along with co-author Diego Pol, a paleontologist at the Museo Paleontológico in Chubut, Argentina.

Lets melt the ice caps!

Dec 13, 2007 15:45     

Lets melt the ice caps and see what else we can find. Makes me wonder what's with the constant global warming and rising water levels propaganda. Who caused last global warming? Aren't we just in another cyclic pattern?
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To: Yea!

Dec 13, 2007 15:57     

Tell yourself that and while you're at it try comparing time scale too for each change. Long live the ignorance!
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Something Wrong with your Figures

Dec 13, 2007 16:20     

There's something wrong with your figures: "The paleontologists believe Glacialisaurus hammeri was 20-25 feet long, weighing 4-6 tons." [They may be wrong. They're taken from the source article. -Rick] The African male elephant weighs 5 tons which is more than your figures for the above "Glacialisaurus Hammeri": http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_weight_of_an_elephant Just by doing a quick estimate, if it was the largest animal to ever walk the earth, it would have to be AT LEAST 70 feet long and weigh AT LEAST 30 tons: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Brontosaurs Mind you, I just did a quick estimate before doing another Google Search! ;^D

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Antarctica

Dec 13, 2007 16:21     

Hey "Yea!', 190 million years ago Antarctica wasn't at the south pole genius. It was much more habitable. Also the regular warming cycles of the earth have been less drastic than the one that we have created. Do yourself a favor and watch "An Inconvenient Truth". Open your eyes.
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Re: Lets melt the ice caps!

Dec 13, 2007 16:22     

In regards to your question, yes, we are in a cyclic pattern that has existed since the earth was first formed. The only reason so many people/corps/countries have bought into Global Warming, is because of the grotesque amount of money to be had by doing so. Do you research, the results will make you sick to your stomach.
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RE: Lets melt the ice caps!

Dec 13, 2007 16:30     

Global warming and rising water levels are NOT propaganda. You've been brainwashed by the rich oil and coal industries which pay advertising money to your favorite radio talk show and Fox News conservatives. Haven't you noticed how we just had the hottest summer on record?! The increased number and harshness of hurricanes, including Katrina, and tornadoes are a sign of global warming because it has changed weather patterns. [The other planets in the solar system are also warming up. Scientists believe the extremely trendy warming we've seen is due to increased solar activity. 30 years ago there was a cooling trend. On something the size of the Earth, a 10-15 year trend does not indicate anything of substance. It's an isolated blip on the 1,000-year timescales of real temperature changes. -Rick] The oil and coal companies have bought the allegiance of your talk show and Fox News hosts. You have been programmed. Deprogramming is available to all who apply. Please walk down the hallway, second door on your right. ;^D

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Hod do they know what it looks like?

Dec 13, 2007 16:33     

How do they know what it looks like when all they found was a partial foot, leg and ankle bones. For all we know it could be a totally different animal or different animals. Unless they find the majority of it then I can believe what it looks like. guessing is not good enough. [Looking for video? :) -Rick]
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@The Face

Dec 13, 2007 16:36     

"An Inconvenient Truth" = Junk science. Open your eyes.
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RE: Cypherdude

Dec 13, 2007 16:44     

Re read the article. It doesn't say that the Glacialisaurus Hammeri was the largest animal to walk the earth... rather Sauropodomorphs where the largest animals to walk the earth. Sauropodomorphs are a sub-order of dino's. "The Face"... I've got a tasty cup-o-coolaid for you buddy.
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To Cypherdude

Dec 13, 2007 16:46     

Just let it go, man. The only person here that has been brainwashed is you. You're the only one to go on the attack after someone suggests that the reader do THEIR OWN research. Find that threatening, do we? Long live the free-thinker, the individualist, and follow not the sheep, for they are bound for slaughter.
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i agree...

Dec 13, 2007 16:47     

i agree with Righteous Fury... there's still no dead proof that this is actually Global Warming, it can be possible the the earth is going through a cycle of rising and lowering of temperatures. do your own research and don't believe everything you see in the media. (ROLLS EYES)
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"just another cyclic pattern" That's heresy man. T...

Dec 13, 2007 16:47     

"just another cyclic pattern" That's heresy man. The church of liberalism has already told us that the world is flat (environmentally speaking). You should start repenting now for you sins against the environment. Don't worry about the collection plate, they'll just take it out of your paycheck.
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RE: RE: Lets melt the ice caps!!

Dec 13, 2007 16:50     

Cypherdude Although I will agree that global warming is a reality, but I dont believe man made global warming is. Our planet goes thru natural warming and cooling cycles whether we like it or not. This is evident by the multiple ice ages this planet has had (without us humans here). Just 30 years ago, Time magazine published an article on global cooling. Yes, thats right, global cooling.... Do you really think 30 years is going to make any difference on a planetary scale, enough so to make the fear mongering scientists change their mind from cooling to warming??.... I think not. I will never believe the left when it comes to this issue.

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sumthin stinks...

Dec 13, 2007 16:51     

Hey Face, what are you doing on Toms with an attitude like yours? If I believed all the garbage on that "documentary" I would have stopped driving myself everywhere, stopped eating beef (dang cow farts), shut down my computer to never be powered on again and, oh yeah, stopped breathing. Or is it ok to pay for a carbon offset to make myself feel better about all the CO2 I am releasing? Oh yeah, it IS ok to pollute as long as you "offset" it. Maybe this is the answer to the climate crisis? FAIL Yes I believe the climate is changing. It always has and always will. Do I think that humans are the sole cause, or even the primary cause? Nope. I agree that we need to fix things (that us humans DO have control over), but bankrupting the world economies to do so has to be the most retarded solution I have ever seen. In other news, the near future will be awesome for even more discoveries in the Arctic! Think of all the things hidden up there that haven’t even seen daylight in centuries!

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RE: What it looks like

Dec 13, 2007 17:00     

Honestly, they make a partially educated guess as to what it looks like and usually describe it to an artist who then presents an interpretation. That is how I have always heard of it being done. As for Rick's comment, yeah, if they have it. :)
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Re:Antarctica

Dec 13, 2007 17:00     

you lost all credibility when you mentioned "An Inconvenient Truth".
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RE: Lets melt the ice caps!

Dec 13, 2007 17:04     

You maybe prove there's a global warming that's happening, but what causes it are all theories and backed up by number no more than few centuries data. If it happens to be a global cooling and we are about to enter the glacial age again, does it mean we should do more to release greenhouse gas? I am not opposing the idea of doing things more environmental friendly, however concluding through weather, global warming, purely onto human causes and not considering other possibility reasons is pure stubbornness to me. just my thoughts..

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Re: Largest Animals to Walk the Earth

Dec 13, 2007 17:13     

Cypherdude - it says Sauropodomorphs were the largest animals to walk the Earth, not this specific sub-species. Although I have to agree that calling a 4 ton dinosaur "massive" is something of a stretch...
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Global warming won't destroy the Earth

Dec 13, 2007 17:20     

It will make it so humans can't live on the Earth. The good news is that there will forever be plastic!!! YAY!
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You are all being brainwashed!

Dec 13, 2007 17:24     

The earth was created 6000 years ago!
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Global Warming

Dec 13, 2007 17:27     

Seriously, this is not an environmentalist forum. Global warming is happening, yes. The simple fact is, NOBODY knows exactly why. Frankly, I think it is the natural part of events. There was an ice age that may have killed the dinosaurs, then there was melting of the ice and great floods. I live in Florida so I know exactly how freakishly hot summers have been getting. I just don't see any reason to believe it's caused by oil industries. Perhaps some people are brainwashed by Fox News (Although even I've heard Bill O'Reilly say that he agrees global warming is a problem). Others are brainwashed by Al Gore. "An Inconvenient Truth" was Al Gore's way of tooting his own horn en route to a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Global warming

Dec 13, 2007 17:32     

Actually, here in Aus, so far, instead of it being stinking hot, we have had more storms and lower tempretures. A large part of the area in NSW has had its drought broken. Im not doubting that this global warming is real. Just that the heat on its own isn't really a sign. Here it has become alot more tropical
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Re: Lets melt the ice caps part 1 and 2

Dec 13, 2007 17:51     

First guy is right and the second guy is "right", except for the fact that we're to blame. We're in a warming cycle because the earth is in just about a perfect circular orbit, as opposed to 15000 years ago when it was more stretched. Amazingly enough, that was an ice age. Second guy is going for the propaganda because is isn't old enough, or has self imposed short term memory . We've been listening to these idiots for 20 years about the warming preceded by 20 years of ice age warnings. Even algore couldn't get his own facts straight in his crapfest book. Do some research about the 10 "hottest" years on record. Hint, 5 were before WWII. Oops, al seems to have a problem with facts while he is using 800 a month on electricity. Liberals push this because they have nothing else to talk about except the war and ice melting. Many scientists oppose these panic mongers, but the libs say they are paid to say what they say. Funny, except it's the libs that are on the take.

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An inconvenient Truth

Dec 13, 2007 18:01     

Only problem is he left out the inconvenient facts to go with the "documentary". Swiss cheese has fewer holes. This flick had less facts than M.Moore's P.O.S's.
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RE:Cypherdude

Dec 13, 2007 18:31     

Its comments like your that makes the global warming craze all the harder to believe. Just because most people realize that the Earth has been through these cycles before - doesn't mean that we've been brain washed. In fact there is lots of evidence that proves the Earth has cycled between ice ages. Just because Al Gore says that there is global warming or the Democrats did a survey doesn’t mean that there is enough “evidence” to prove their theories. They are just trying to win the next election and are playing the role of Chicken Little to do so. So why don’t you go check your “brain washing” against old science books that discuss the facts.

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No global warming

Dec 13, 2007 19:23     

Well I currently just got inside from shoveling snow in my driveway. There was about 10 inches and it is still coming down hard. It's just a cycle. After all...we were getting ready to go into and ice age about 10 years ago weren't we? Are we in one? Oh, and wasn't the world economy supposed to come to an end on Y2K? And weren't we all supposed to have been dead because of Mutually Assured Destruction? Better get running under your desks and wrap yourself in tinfoil.

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Why are you Global warming freaks using computers?

Dec 13, 2007 19:30     

If the problem is as bad as you say it is you should set the example and stop using anything that is using energy/CO2. If you were to follow your beliefs the US would reduce the emissions by 50%. So when someone like Gore says I paid to have a tree planted so I am not guilty of the problem you know it is a hoax, especially when it can be wrote off on taxes. I took a class in this subject three years ago and in the text which the teacher agreed with and she believes in Global Warming there have been five periods in the past that have been several degrees warmer then we are now. If you only look at the past 100 years or so like Gore did then you can come up with anything you want. I mean we must be in Global cooling since it is colder now then it was 6 months ago. Do some real research.

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Yeah Right

Dec 13, 2007 19:42     

Who says communism is dead. It's alive and well with it's cousin socialism in the environmental movement and as big of a threat to freedom as it ever was.Save the earth by not exhaling any more of your carbon dioxide or pay me a million dollars for your carbon offset.Creeps!
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History proves the Bible, and Bible proves God

Dec 13, 2007 20:05     

History does proves what is stated in the bible and the bible proves that their is a God who created all things and that there was once this animal kingdom (the dinosaurs) who inhabited the earth before us
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Looks like a dragon....

Dec 13, 2007 21:22     

Looks like a dragon.
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It makes me sad

Dec 14, 2007 00:54     

Why do most of you people have black and white attitudes. You are either a freaky global warming nut or a absolute denier. Opinions are great if they are informed. Most scientists agree that humans are contributing to global warming (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [IPCC] created by the World Meteorological Society and the UN. This means that there is a consensus worldwide. The US is now one of the last developed countries to not ratify Kyoto. Sure I use a computer and I drive a car consume beef and therefore use resources but it doesn't make me a hypocrite. I moderate my use which is both economicaly beneficial and also lowers my impact. People don't be so insular there is a whole world out there besides you

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FYI on Wikipedia

Dec 14, 2007 03:45     

It is not a valid source to quote facts, stats, etc. unless the sources are validstated on that website. So many people are quick to quote from that website.
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DNA

Dec 14, 2007 03:51     

Can they take some DNA samples from the cryo corpses? They could then just try to clone the thing and deliver true photos and even videos! :)
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Can't believe !!!

Dec 14, 2007 05:16     

How people can be single sided. One say it's 100% our fault. Others deny we have any stake in this. To me this sound just like one of those "earth if flat so let's kill the guy who dare to clame different" or "leech" is perfect cure for all problems. It's only bad blood. The fact is that we ARE polluting the earth The fact is that we CONTRIBUTE to global warming The fact is that we are not 100% guilty but we are guilty more than enough to make a difference between normal (read natural) cycles and current situation. Burning forests, expending human population, using more and more fossil fuels is just a fact. Or i'm wrong. Maybe we really don't CONTRIBUTE. Ear is clean, we can drink water from the river without risking health, Amazon is not in danger, Africa animals are in no danger, oceans are not over fished, we are not burning fossil fuel more and more. The solution i won't give because there is no easy solution. Problem is piling for years and we will have to deal with it for years

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It Sounds Like...

Dec 14, 2007 08:09     

The only people brainwashed are the people saying there is no concrete evidence, because some oil lobbyists say there isn't. Meanwhile REAL scientists, ecologists, and economists around the world to gather in Bali to determine the basis of future environmental talks. NO ONE there, not even the American or Chinese government is saying Global Warming isn't happening. The only reason you don't see commitments and hard caps is because the world's largest polluters (USA, China, and India) are playing what is tantamount to a game of chicken. C'mon guys, instead of turning this into a bunch of hearsay evidence being bantered around from either side, why doesn't everyone listen to what real scientists and real politicians (and bureaucrats) are saying and stop listening to lobbyists and partisan hot air.

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Global Warming again

Dec 14, 2007 08:22     

I have to agree with some of those who posted that this global warming thing is a product of earths natural cycle. Scientist have not had the knowledge or technology for all that long imo to say that global warming is the effect of man. I truly believe most of it is just a cycle. I do have one question though. I always here from the global warming community about the polar ice caps melting and causing water levels to rise. Well, at least my understanding, we have the North Pole and Antartica. Antartica is a continent last I heard which means it is physically connected to a tectonic plate, while the North Pole is made up of glaciers. Glaciers are just floating in the ocean hence not actually connected to the underlining tectonic plates, so by displacment even if the north pole were to melt it should not raise the water levels. Sort of like ice in a glass of water. So why do the global warming people who always site scientific studies keep telling us this?

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stop it

Dec 14, 2007 08:25     

please stop the "discussion" of GW, lol This is an article about DINOSAURS. Maybe discuss whether they lived 6000 years ago or the claimed millions of years ago, that would be a debate on the same level as the GW debate, HAR! ;-)
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Re:global warming

Dec 14, 2007 08:47     

Here in Finland we dont even have snow on the ground yet and its already half way trough December. Some ten years ago(and earlier) the permanent snow would fall around mid November and remain till March/April. Last year the permanent snow came in early January and melted in the first week of March. Instead it's been raining alot recently. So I'd say theres something going on... And yes some 55 million years ago earths average temperature were some 5-8 degrees higher, but that resulted in global mass extinction. "Which was nice." -The Fast Show There was a good article about global warming in New Scientist by Catherine Brahic et al., May 19th 2007, find it and read it.. ps. funny thing really how political this whole global warming thing has gotten over there in the US, no wonder your average Joe doesn't take it seriously :roll:

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I love Tom's!

Dec 14, 2007 09:00     

I like this website even more after seeing that global warming activists only constitute 5% of the readers on here. Keep up the good work everyone!
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What's wrong with a little caution

Dec 14, 2007 09:11     

Why is it so bad to be energy conscious. I can remember 10 to 15 years ago when there were only half the cars around and all the cities were full of smog. Engines have come a long way since then and car numbers have doubled yet smog is nearly unheard of except maybe in 3rd world countries. But really the main focus word should be sustainable. There are so many factors involved it sometimes hurts to think about them. Energy resources VS Human population VS Agricultial land VS Rain forest land VS Developing countries etc etc. People scoff in the face of theory and development, but its the natural order of progress. So the worlds economy didnt end in Y2K, so what. Science is always trial and error and sometimes people get it wrong. But there are always those who are just waiting to point them out as wrong. Its those same lazy people who cant be bothered with energy conservation. Is it causing any harm being energy conscious?? Actually wait, it actually saves you money too. The only poeple who directly lose out are those selling the comodities. We may be just stuck in the natural order of a cosmic cycle and all efforts to the contrary are futile, or maybe we are in control of our own destiny. Who knows? But there is nothing wrong with development. Or maybe you would have us all go back to burning coal in steam powered trains and automobiles :)

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warm/cool; coming in cycles

Dec 14, 2007 09:26     

The ice age has come and gone. It is a cycle of global cooling and global warming. I dought anything man has done would signifacantly influence this. There are scientist who also agree and the Pope has doubts about our influence on it. Some think it is due to the sun getting warmer. It would be interesting to see other 'prehistoric' animals being revealed due to ice melting on the north pole. I wonder how many mastedons will be exposed? I read that the south pole is getting bigger. Is it compensating for the north pole getting smaller?

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Here is another question for you global warming doo...

Dec 14, 2007 09:41     

Here is another question for you global warming doomsdayers. Open your history books to something called the little ice age (aprox 1650-1850)and the previous warmer cycle called the the Midevil warmer period. The little Ice age is Now the question, what caused that? Was it the fleet of sail driven wooden ships or to many camp fires? Do us all a favor reasearch this as well the Maunder and Sporer miniumums. Which where periods of lower solar activity than we have currently today. Two biggest factors on our global climate are Salinity content % of our oceans and Solar activity. Oh and Cypherdude, what happened to the last 2 years of the predicted worst Hurricane season ever? Answer: didnt happen. And the only thing abnormal about Katrina was that it hit and an area tha was under sea lvl and ill prepared before and after. Wrap it all up. Do your own research dont listen to people like Al Gore on blind faith and emotion.

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In all politeness, there's got to be hundreds of en...

Dec 14, 2007 09:42     

In all politeness, there's got to be hundreds of enviromental forums on the web. Maybe consider navigating over there if it doesn't produce too much C02 :). Anyways, a new dinosaur? Cool! Maybe we can discuss how they died out - Take your concern about the enviroment, and discuss what killed the dinosaurs.
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Correlation and Global Warming

Dec 14, 2007 09:49     

Well it seems to me that there will never be definitive proof of global warming as it's all based on correlational data. You can attribute meanings in your interpretation of data for the most part. We all know it took like 30 years to prove that smoking "caused" cancer(or actually increases the risk of developing it), but with global warming there are too many variables and no controls on a global scale. There will be no Framingham type study of the Earth's climates and causes for change that will have definitive proof. Personally, it is my ethical belief that we would do well to look into cleaner fuels to use and sources of green, renewable energy as it will make the world a better place for my children. I would love for my children to not have to grow up in a world with more pollutants and saved ecologic places. I think whether you believe in it or not does not matter as much as what the future environment of the world will look like because of you. Anyway, I think it's cool that they may have found a new type of dinosaur...my niece loves them and it'll be fun to share it with her over Christmas!

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Black and White on the Issue

Dec 14, 2007 10:44     

The reason there is only black and white on this issue is because nobody knows what the right temperature is suppose to be, or what the proper level of CO2 should be. Someone said the only loser would be the producer of commodities if we were to reduce consumption of energy (paraphrased). Them plus about 95% of the population. What do you think would happen if everyone stopped buying commodities? Mass unemployment since the only ones making a commodity that is needed are farmers. Everyone else who does not farm is peddling a service to get some paper to buy food with. The other reason is that if this is as bad as it is said to be then what difference is it to ( using an analogy) know that you will die if you consume 10 oz of poison. If you consume all 10 oz in one day you end up dead or if you consume it over the course of 10 days 1 oz at a time you still end up dead? The big scare 30 years ago was Global Cooling. The only thing this is an attempt to look important and talk but not do. As I said in an earlier post that if you really believe this then you should go back to living like a cave man and let what ever happens happen. That way you can be sure that you had no part in it.

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the problem is not...

Dec 14, 2007 10:58     

The problem is not the debate. The problem is the incredibly low standard of the debate (here and many other places). Some of the "arguments" (on both sides, but still mostly on one of them) do little more than exposing bias, unwarranted confidence, superficialness, "I don't want this to be true so it IS not true"-thinking, ad-hominems and ignorance. It's truly painful, and also painfully reminiscent of "debates" like ID vs Evolution.

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ID and Dino's

Dec 14, 2007 13:45     

I believe in ID but I also like dinosaurs. :) I do not see a conflict. It is just a matter of what one believes where the source of the dinos' are. I have read that there are thos who want to use DNA from from mamoths and re-create them using present day elephants. That would be neat. Better that re-creating meat eaters like Jurasic Park. :-D The mamoths might stomp on you but they won't try to eat you. :)

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AGW is a myth. Certainly the globe is warming. Th...

Dec 15, 2007 00:31     

AGW is a myth. Certainly the globe is warming. There is not much that can be done about it, 'cause there's no anthropogenic cause. There is no "Global" thermostat we can drive to change anything. The IPCC hockey stick graph is a lie. The Inconvenient Truth contains a dozen lies and misrepresentations. AGW theory is like the Cultural Revolution in China a while ago, a lot of well meaning crazy people caught up in an idea. Don't buy it.

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Re: Sad Person

Dec 15, 2007 00:47     

"Most scientists agree that humans are contributing to global warming (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [IPCC] created by the World Meteorological Society and the UN. This means that there is a consensus worldwide." This is incorrect. May scientists disagree with the IPCC party line. Even former IPCC members. Once your name is on their list it is hard to get off of it, even if you disagree with the reports. The IPCC was set up to find evidence of AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming), and they found some drastic temperature increase in recent times. But those findings have since been debunked. The UN admits to exaggerating claims to draw attention. Recently it was found their AIDs statistics in 3rd world countries were overblown. The IPCC reports are political, not scientific, and are exaggerated. PS: Ice melts.

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A few important points.

Dec 15, 2007 17:53     

Regardless of whether global warming is manmade, there is little to no serious scientific evidence that it is not in fact real. Also whether or not global warming in manmade it can and very likely will make things very very difficult for humans and our modern society. Large scale droughts and poorer crop yields will result in a lot of deaths that could have been avoided. Also the science behind the greenhouse effect is fairly straightforward. Carbon dioxide and methane decrease the amount of heat that can escape the Earth and we have very reasonable things we can do to reduce the amount of those gases we produce. In fact the majority of those techniques will result in lower costs and less dependence on dwindling resources held by hostile nations. Regardless of whether you think humans are responsible for the global warming trend, shunning environmentally conscious products and decisions is short sighted and costly. We stand to gain if we act now. We stand to lose everything if the tree huggers end up being right and we fail to act now. If your sheer bloodymindedness and refusal to even consider anything put forth by a remotely liberal source blind you to some very advantageous changes then perhaps you are not as perceptive as you thought.

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Lets Stop Global Warming

Dec 16, 2007 18:18     

I for one do not want to miss the next ICE AGE ,by the way who caused that one ,you know the one where, most of the of Canada was under a km. of ICE ?
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The best argument for the global warming crowd.

Dec 16, 2007 22:50     

Believe in global warming or not, but just think about this. Each time you fill up your car with gas, you give money to the people who like to fly jets into tall buildings. The best thing North America and Europe can do for our economy is reduce our dependence on those who want to kill us. The United States has some of the best brains on the planet. Exxon can make trillions developing clean energy. Re: TomLeeM/BigWarpGuy No mastodons will be exposed. By the time mastodons had evolved, Antarctica had moved South away from the Equator and could not support life.

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extremist to blame

Dec 17, 2007 07:36     

It was extremist that flew planes into buildings. The extremist are also killing others of the same faith. One should not blame the whole because of the extremist. I was thinking mamoth but typed mastedon. I know they have uncovered hairy elephant type creatures in the north where ice was but exposed their bodies when it started to melt. The exposed bodies were more than just bones but also skin and hair/fur.

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Global Warming...

Dec 17, 2007 12:33     

I agree that global warming is occuring and I also agree that the majority of green house gases are natural results of earth processes. Obviously we are adding to the problem by burning tremendous amounts of fossil fuels. But really there are 3 sides to this issue. Those that don't believe global warming is occuring and we don't need to do anything about it. Those that believe global warming is occuring and are playing the blame game. Then the final position is what I take. Those that believe global warming is occuring and never mind whose fault it is, let's just do something about it!

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Globle Warming is a distraction from Real Problems

Dec 18, 2007 22:37     

Antarctica has NEVER been as large as it is now! and the north pole constantly melts and refreezes. Genetic modification... thats what we should be paying attention to, but if course we won't because there is already to much money still to be made in that... so collecting taxes for MMGW is good for now. WATCH OUT! now if you put out to much CO2 you're warming the planet, we don't want trees to overgrow us do WE! Long story short! the ice caps on mars have melted in the past couple years and the moons around Jupiter and Saturn have also melted there ice OCEANS! The sun is getting hotter. And "An Inconvenient Truth" has a lot of "Inconvenient" law suits from the scientist. Come On! the guy has a house with a jet in the garage and a run way! I guess I'm the "fourth person" Professor B. Abble :)

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RE:Global Warming... (OT apologies - AGW)

Dec 19, 2007 01:22     

Really cool Antarctic paleo find. Prof. Abble, the general decisions are more like this: 1) GW is real, but it's not that bad. ( 2 C when it's -9?? 2) GW is real, but there's nothing that I can personally to to affect it, or the result of my effort is insignificant. 3) GW is real, and it's going to be catastrophic (read IPCC). So what is an individual such as I to do? Buy supplies and guns I guess, but otherwise do nothing different. 4) GW is real and it will end all life on earth. (do nothing different) 5) GW is not real. (do nothing different) 6) GW is real and my individual effort will actually help the situation. In all but one case there is no real driver for change is there? By the way GW is a hard sell when it's below 0. The IPCC needs to exaggerate the AGW case enough for action, but not so bad as to drive apathy. I agree that pollution and the current transport model (1 user per car) needs to be fixed. The main driver for that model is inflated real estate prices in cities. I just don't see a solution in crippling the North American economy to meet the AGW goal. The benefits don't outweigh the costs. Resources should be directed towards coping mechanisms for the short term before cooling begins again. We're talking about average weather. It's like calculating average slot machine returns. To help alleviate pollution we need to drive down costs for affordable transport solutions like this: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5386760634488268412&q=Ariel Atom electric&total=26&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 However the generation tech. has to be moved to hydro, nuclear, or wind to alleviate pollution. That will drive up costs again. The carbon credit / tax idea is idiotic.

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