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Yer putting me to sleep AMD..... When I wake up, will I be buying a Phenom, or a Penryn? Talk only goes soo far, we want benchies! =D

What good would AMD's benchmarks do, anyway? They'd tamper with them as would any brand to squeeze out the most performance indicative numbers. You'll have to wait for Tom's Hardware to benchmark them to get realistic benchmarks and discussion of what they actually mean. :)

I want to upgrade my processor speed not the cores. My X2 6000 at 3.2 Ghz runs just fine but If Im going to upgrade then I want the Ghz to be at least 3.5 on all four cores or I will see no difference in performance other than multi threading support.

At least this seems to be coming to market on time. I don't expect first run phenoms and others to be show stoppers but they will be a respectable upgrade. As AMD improves the 65nm process they will become more competitive.
AMD needs these releases for revenue and it is very important they are all released on schedule. AMD needs time-line credibility above all now.

I really want to upgrade to a quad cpu, but I really want to hold out for Phenom. If their 3rd party benches can at least match Intel, thats where my money will go.

Intentsly

What I want is a new motherboard with hybrid SLI, and an 8700GT. Except for my graphics card, I meet Crysis' recommended specs. No need to upgrade to Phenom now.

Ideally, AMD should have gotten this out the door last holiday season. Still, I went AMD instead out of loyalty.

Athlon X2 4600
MSI K9N6GM barebones
2 gigs Kingston DDR2 667
MSI 7600GS
Cooler Master RP-450 (sigh only 22 amps on the 12 volt rails)
Viewsonic A71f

I am an AMD fan, have been since the K6 models. I havnt been tempted to switch to the core duo series at all. I have recently upgraded to the AM2 6400, Intel fans should see one in operation before they critise AMD. This thing really does fly.
I eagerly await the new series. AMD has a few surprises in store.

between current generation AMD and Intel CPU's. Quit arguing about it. Sure, Intel has a slight lead, especially with OCing but AMD is able to compete at least. It's NOT the same as Athlon/Pentium.

"My X2 6000 at 3.2 Ghz runs just fine but If Im going to upgrade then I want the Ghz to be at least 3.5 on all four cores or I will see no difference in performance other than multi threading support." --Barry L

Barry,

Do keep in mind, Anandtech proved that Barcelona was (on average) 15% faster clock-for-clock than K8 Opterons (per core). Considering this performance increase, a 2.8 GHz Barcelona is slightly faster than a 3.2 GHz K8 (in single-threaded applications or per core on older platforms, with slower memory, and with limited HT speeds).

In addition, let's not forget the HT links will be operating at twice K8's frequencies (on newer motherboards) on a processor with a much wider memory path and a more efficient memory controller, whose increased speeds in conjunction with high-speed DDR2 support and L3 cache will significantly lower overall latencies. based on preliminary roadmap data (from AMD), even 2.4 GHz dual-core K10s will be sold in a higher price/performance bracket than current 3.0 GHz dual-core K8s, when released. This would mean up to a 25% IPC increase from K8 to K10. This doesn't seem far-fetched when you consider the exhaustive list of improvements in K10 over K8 and the new platforms/motherboards which will allow K10 to shine.

So, it should not be too surprising when 2.4 K10s rival 3.0 (or higher) K8s per core. And, this would suggest that with K10 at 2.7 to 3.0 GHz, there is no K8 (overclocked or not) that will rival K10s performance per core. Add the fact Phenoms are quads (on 65nm and that will dissipate less heat than current 90nm dual-cores) and there’s simply no comparison.

You should realy see how my E4400 @ 2.9 easily equals and mostly demolishes a 6400 .

Then agian, I only use the E4400 when I want to do something with the few tb of drives its connected to, I use my Q6600 instead, sitting pretty at 3ghz.

Does AMD have a quad out yet? yes. does anyone have any "real" benchmarks for it? No. What speed is it? 1.9. 1.9 you say? intresting, how are its features, ipc, scaleability? no one knows, no one has tested them yet, AMD's NDA is keeping the true reports on how crapy the damn things are, and how they barely surpass the K8, and fall incredibly short of the Core line.

thee end.

and yes I have owned AMD before.

k6-2 500mhz for 5 years. dont work no more, but makes a usefull comb.

6 Months ago, Dirk that Kuma would be shipping in last month (September). With this latest announcement, Kuma is still 6 months away. ARGH!

we shall patiently wait until the product to come. A good overall platform is better than a good overall bare processor!!

I hate that Intel has kicked AMD's but I also like the competition. It's been said over and over. Competition is good for the consumer. Ok, great. Can I have my Phenom Quad now?? Jeez already! I've been waiting to upgrade FOREVER! I’m currently working on a Athon 2500 OC’d to 3200 with a Radeon 9500 Pro (wasn’t this card sweet for so long?) Needless to say I’m SOL when it comes to the latest and greatest games..

November eh? My guess is Early Dec.. Maybe in time for Christmas? Honestly, I really don't care what processor I have, but I've been using AMD so long I almost feel guilty switching...

Kudos to all the Intel Core 2 fans, hopefully the AMD faithful will have something to talk about soon…