But I thought Apple knew how to write secure code?? Apple will probably regret making it's browser run on "PCs". Mac browser attacks will probably double now.

I love this... I have losers telling me mac is hacker proof.

I try my best to tell them, the quality hackers are hitting microsoft. They want to cause conflict in a bigger market.

Creating a hack on a sun machine doesn't really get attention.

Oh Stevie Boy... you thought wrong... your mac programming isn't as full proof as you think it is...

There is no room for Apple.

I agree this is funny and it shows how out of their depth apple are here. However at the same time its apple, half of the world population lap up every single word they say and im sure that this wont put of a single apple fanboy of which the world is swamped.

It seems absurd that a third party finds that many holes that quickly.
Apple's R&D team should be humbled by this and make it a personal mission to tighten things up.
Even a beta release is supposed to have _some_ testing done before being made available to the public.

I installed safari, opened the program and it fails to load the default webpage completely.
neither did any of the buttons or address bar work.

Maybe all this time, the hackers didn't care about Macs because when you attack an IP, there is a 95% chance it's a Windows Machine. Well, guess what, the browser is now on a Windows machine, and all that security went out the window. Looks like someone isn't so bulletproof after all.. oh man... HOURS not even days lol...

While I loathe Apple as much as everybody else, it is only a beta, the whole point of a beta is to get final bugs. Admittedly, these do seem to be larger bugs than those normally present in a beta quality release.

Had 6 security holes even in beta it would be all over the news. Plus the Macies would be letting you know about it for weeks. Good thing we have Apple quality control looking for these problems. Oh wait...

It was only a matter of time before people started to care whether or not they could hack an Apple. They kept talkin how secure they were - looks like some people are up to the challenge.
And Fred, half the people in this world do not lap up every word Apple says. Not even a quarter of the world owns a Mac

Mac isn't completely secure, nothing ever is. Heck, someone even created and demonstrated a vulnerabilityvirus for the iPod; regardless of the fact that it couldn't be transferred from iPod to iPod. The fact of the matter is that Mac has had vulnerabilities, its just that they didn't matter because no one really cared. If a hacker wanted to attack an IPCompanySystem, without knowing what OS it was running beforehand, he would most likely start with Windows vulnerabilities and either move on to a different IPCompanySystem or go to the next most likely OS's vulnerabilities. Its the same reason that Sun systems don't have as many vulnerabilities as Windows. Enlighten made a more concise point along this line of thinking earlier, and he's right. The reason Firefox was so 'secure' before, and still is, is because not nearly the amount of people have used or now use Firefox as people who use IE. Now, Safari 3 is in beta, but it is an open beta. This being considered, Apple should have addressed some of these before releasing it to the general public. If 6 vulnerabilities were found in one day, then someone was asleep on the job. However, it would be interesting to know (not that we ever will) how many vulnerabilities and problems Safari 3 had before it went to open beta. This would give a better understanding to all of us how much work they put into it. Finally, the Mac worshipers; I have a friend who has been telling me that Macs never get viruses and aren't vulnerable. I pointed him to the securityfocus.com mailing lists and he changed his tone. I'm sure if there was more public announcements; i.e. newspaper articles, online articles, etc.; Mac users would get off of their soap boxes. My two cents.

Mac: 6 vulnerabilities in one app.
PC: Lost count of the vulnerabilities in Windows (95 through Vista), Word, IE, etc, etc, etc. How many patch Tuesdays have there been?

I also seem to recall a vista patch being released for Vista BEFORE it was even released. I will say that my bandaid ball of patches I like to call my XP box works really, really well. Not as well as my OSX Mac, though. Simply my opinion. I will never go with Vista.

I'm sick of all the smug Apple owners that don't know a thing about computers and are brainwashed into thinking that Apple makes magical hack proof code. Of course it's not because Windows has, by far, the largest market share in the OS area that there are so many hacks dealing with Windows. What hacker that wants to cause trouble writes a virus, hack, worm, etc for an OS that's only on a very small % of computers world wide?

I like the mac owners' loving their computers and software that much :) I think it is their trial of justification paying that much for those craps...

I don't want to sound like a geek, but, it looks like you have incorrect info.
http://secunia.com/product/96/?task=advisories
http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
Month of Apple Bugs lists flaws in the OS as well as other problems. It may have less bugs, but it is certainly more than 6 in Safari.
Secunia also has issued advisories for OS X.
And there's more!

Let's look at the running score:

1- There was no reason to release this in the first place. It's a BS browser on Macs, and apparently a BS browser under Windows.
2- Yet another browser to 'code' for. Devs love it.
3- It doesn't work.
4- Firefox and Opera are already established, and better.

But at least the applesheep have something comfortable to use on a Windows box now...

1. "if you dont succeed the first time, call it version 1.0" not version 3.0 Beta.. lol..
2. "their software do not have bugs, it's clever enough to generate random features." I mean common, a browser that you can intrude from other places, that's hi-tech dood.

haha, love those comments

I personally don't hate Mac. I mean, it's fun to play around with from time to time, and it's certainly very pretty to look at. I just don't like those apple geek always telling me how great Mac is....

Maybe this will be a lesson to them.... (although i seriously doubt it)

Have any of you try it?

I've tried it on vista, but as soon as i run it, heck, this is the ugliest looking browser i've ever seen on windows.

i need it only to test my website, but i WILL NEVER use it for daily browsing, it just too ugly to look at.

I hope this software teach Apple that its not as good as it think it is. how many time did u hear apple use the term "the best", "the most secure", "the first", etc?

for this for ages. oh, all the Mac lovers i know are gonna hear about this for weeks. mind u most mac lovers are "I hate bill gates so Im gonna use a mac, even though it is most unflexible system out there" (ok i admit i added the last bit). seriousy, this has made my day.

remember... ppl said WinXP won't ever appear on Mac Computers ever. But... hackers managed to put WinXP in it.. even without help of Apple. So.. can anyone hack Safari??? lets leave it to time..

"I also seem to recall a vista patch being released for Vista BEFORE it was even released."

actually the count goes like this:

Mac OS X Tiger - ~150 vulnerabilities since Vista's launch (!!!) (Seriously!....No, Really!! - look it up)

Windows Vista - 7 since launch ( the 2 from the other day). Period. And they sold more copies in 5 weeks of availability than there are users of all other non-Microsoft OS's worldwide (including OS X).

Also, the count for Safari flaws is actually 8 now, and one has already been weaponized into a stable working exploit. The researchers expect basement script-kiddies to have an exploit released in the wild by the end of the week.

Remember: according to Jobs, Safari is the "developer platform" for the iPhone. I challenge ANYONE to "pwn" an iPhone with a 0-day exploit.

actually you don't need hackers to put winXP on a Mac. Apple is doing the job themselves. Which makes me wonder are they trying to sell their superb MacOS or the Mac hardware that can can multi boot...

All you apple/mac haters are so sad. The real reason Safari was released on windows is because the iPhone will be using it and this gives everyone a chance to use it on their PCs, not just mac users. In addition, the iPhone will allow for the development of web Apps and thus making Safari readily available will make it easier for people to develop said apps.

If the apple market share is so small, and so insignificant, then who cares if we love them and are loyal to them. Who cares if we say 'apple is awesome and rules the world and microsoft sucks'? If you enjoy windows and think it's better than apple or the mac os then use it and stop worrying about us. Who cares if this beta version of safari has security exploits which will be fixed. That's what a beta is for. No one cares except people like you who are looking for ammunition to attack apple. A lot of mac users use Firefox anyway. WE don't even care.

Oh btw, there are still no viruses or spyware on mac os x.

Unbelievable. The defensiveness coming off some people makes me wonder what this loyalty to Windows is all about? I'm a software developer with twenty years experience developing software ported to mainframes, Sun and HP Unix mini-computers, and Windows microcomputers (what everyone is calling PCs). I've even written stuff for embedded applications with VxWorks as the OS.
These platforms all have their advantages and disadvantages.
Now Apple Mac is a Unix based OS. Unix has the best track record of any OS and was built around sound architectural principles. Windows wasn't. I wouldn't trust a Windows platform to run a mission critical system. Not now, and not with any previous release of any Windows environment. That said, perhaps millions of people rely on Windows technology every day.
And millions of people rely on Linux technology every day.
And thousands of mission critical systems have been deployed on Unix platforms.
I would not be very quick to dismiss the Apple Mac OS, or say the release of some flawed browser technology should reflect badly on the whole operating system. The truth is that while Microsoft might base their operating system on the browser, OS X is based on a Unix Kernel, and the browser is just an application running at a very high level over the windowing manager, over the shell, and over that kernel. It isn't the same at all. And yes, over all I'd trust that Unix system over the Windows system any day.

even so the problems are more likely to affect windows more than mac but look at it this way windows has over a million vires mac has 5 and there locked up in labs

Yes, you are right; those of us that like one OS, whether it be a flavor of Linux, Mac or Windows should just respect the other's choices. The only problem is that I have been attacked by some Mac users for using Windows, and in one rare case Fedora Core. I have no hate for Mac, they are the best for video, audio and picture editing; nothing else comes close! However, I doubt that there are NO viruses or spyware out for Mac OS X; in fact I would like to point you to http://www.sophos.com/pressoff...leap.html.
Also, bugtraq lists 308 vulnerabilities for Mac OS X, not exactly perfect. Reference: http://search.securityfocus.com/swsearch?query=Mac OS X&sbm=bid&submit=Search!&metaname=alldoc&sort=swishrank

You might be right, as I'm not as knowledged in the field of OS design.

However, what I can tell you is use of Linux/Unix based operating systems (excluding Mac OSX) has been quite an endeavor as everything is done with a cluncky text file. Most of the time the descriptions are not clear and I can go on about what could happen if I did not configure my system properly.

In the end let's face it a lot of time security is more of a user problem than a system problem.

So to that, would I prefer to use Windows or Unix/Linux. Hands-down Windows, because most likely I will at least configure it correctly...

To each its own.

My company provides a lot of computer services to IT industry. Of our customers, the one that uses Mac's have been the most difficult and demanding (as in entitled to) customers. They also tend to make comments about their disgust for Microsoft.

We should pull a poll of what people in general think of Mac users... I would be interrested to see what the general concencus is about Mac users crusade against M$.

You're seeing it more than ever since all Windows users hear how secure Apple is. So of course you're going to see people jump on this - especially when the CEO is pretty much saying, 'come and try breaking it.'

Ooooh I just love mac patches. The last time there was one it killed the WPA encyption on my friends airport for his laptop.........

I too have downloaded the beta on the Vista and XP machines. Working out well so far on the XP, but the page wont even load on Vista. That is after I had to go to the command prompt and allowd the .dll to runbecuase I was getting error 2738 during the setup process. Guess they too have trouble with making it Vista capable the first time around. Installaion went smoothily with the XP.